"Can Muslims Be Good Americans?" - An exchange.

My friend sent me this email conversation and i just had to post it here (names withheld). Read till the end to see one Palestinian-American man's response to the points on why Muslims "cannot" be good Americans.

First, the following message was sent by Ms. "A" to a number of others, including Mr "B."

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?       

This is certainly 'food-for-thought'.

This is very interesting and we all need to read it from start to finish.  And send it on to everyone.  Maybe this is why our American Muslims are so quiet and not speaking out about any atrocities. 

Can a good Muslim be a good American?

This question was forwarded to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.

The following is his reply:

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam .  (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews .

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 ).

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American

Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Therefore, after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. - - - They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans.  Call it what you wish it's still the truth. You had better believe it. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future.

The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. ....

Footnote: The Muslims have said they will destroy us from within.   SO FREEDOM IS NOT FREE.

THE MARINES WANT THIS TO ROLL ALL OVER THE U.S.

Please don't delete this until you send it on.

Mr "B's" response:

i went to an Anaheim Angel baseball game the other night and while I was waiting in line to go through security (no, not the ticket turnsile) I got to thinking about how we had got to this point.  I remember going to baseball games years ago and never would have thought we would have lines to stand in to go through security.  I also just got back from a trip where I stood in long lines to go through airline security where I had to almost undress.  Do you remember when flying was a real “treat” and was something you looked forward to and it was a real enjoyment.  But, now it

is just one big hassle….ask anyone if they enjoy flying today.  

Well, the reason we now all have to do is because of one thing….MUSLIMS…. no one other group, religion, country, nationality has done this to us…only the MUSLIMS…..they have created the terror that we concern ourselves with…and not only here, but all over the world.  Ask yourself….who else do you fear?  And we are to become even more tolerant of their religious rights and  want us to become sharia compliant, which means they have their laws and we have ours????  Unbelieveable……..AND THEN …..the final blow, to build a mosque right where THEY attacked us?  (build it, but not their which is their way of showing the world what they accomplished.

I hear people say that is not fair to the people who died there and I agree, but I go further…it is not fair to all of us that now have to go through

all the crap that we now go through to be concerned about another MUSLIM ATTACK on us.   And what makes it even more of a mockery, is that they check us Americans closer than they do the MUSLIMS as not to hurt their feelings and to be POLITICAL CORRECT……like we are going to attack ourselves…give me a break….BE TOLERANT????....WE ARE….AND IT HAS GONE TO FAR…..these people are not TOLERANT of our way of life which was here long before they came here…..EVERY HEAR ONE MUSLIM SAY HE WAS SORRY FOR WHAT HIS RELIGION HAS DONE TO US?   I HAVEN’T


BELOW IS SOMETHING YOU MUST READ ABOUT MUSLIMS


[Mr "C" attached the original message from Ms "A" and forwarded it on]

Mr "C's" response to Mr "B."

Hey [Mr "B!"]

Nice to hear from you again!

I want to start out by saying im sorry you had to stand in line at the Angels game, i totally understand, it's like a bad traffic jam on friday night. And yea, no one is going to deny that flying can get annoying these days. To blame this on one sixth of the world population...now that's where I'm a bit lost. I mean come on, Timothy Mcvae, the guy who tried to blow up the IRS building last year because he was fed up with the economy, and hard core christian fanatics who have murdered doctors who work at abortion clinics create "terror" too. To blame a whole group of people on the acts of a few evil individuals is totally not fair, and it is not the "religion" which has done "this to us. Ever think that American Muslims also have to deal with the fact that their entire religion is labelled as violent because of what a few idiots did? I must say that i'm glad you sent this my way; sometimes it really helps to talk to someone who is actually Muslim about these issues :) If you take the time to read the quran and study islam you will find that in the quran it says in 5:32 that if someone murders one person it's as if he murdered all of mankind and if somone saves someone it's as if he saved all mankind. The Quran considers human life to be sacred and preaches tolerance and love of others. On a side note, if you'd like one i can get you an english copy of the quran and some more info on islam if you'd like. Or you can check out www.whyislam.org for more info. As for muslims and muslim leaders speaking out against this kind of stuff, check out the video below!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IofpsHOosE

Below i have typed out a response to the email you forwarded me. Enjoy!

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[CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?]

Theologically - no. . . . Because his allegiance is to Allah, The moon god of Arabia .

Last time i checked the constitution states very clearly

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". Our country is founded on the fact that you don't have to follow a specific belief to be a good American citizen. Also as a side note, Allah is simply the Arabic term for "God" and is also used by Arab Christians; Muslims don't believe in a moon god and believe in the same god as the Jews and the Christians.

Religiously - no.. . . Because no other religion is accepted by His Allah except Islam . (Quran, 2:256)(Koran)

Religiously, just like members of Christianity and Judaism, Muslims consider Islam to be the correct religion. However it also states very clearly in the quran: "Let there be no compulsion in religion..." 2:256. Religion is a personal choice.

Scripturally - no. . . Because his allegiance is to the five Pillars of Islam and the Quran.

Since there is no "american" scripture that "american" citizens are supposed to follow, this doesn't make much sense. American Jews follow the Torah and American Hindus follow the Vedas. There is no difference when you say that American Muslims follow the Quran. Moreover, the five pillars are simply personal spiritual duties which inclue prayer, charity, fasting, the declaration of faith, and pilgirmage; if we look closely we find that all religions have such duties and these duties don't clash with being a law-abiding, contributing american citizen.

Geographically - no . Because his allegiance is to Mecca , to which he turns in prayer five times a day.

Mecca is considered a holy location to muslims just like jerusalem is considered holy to both christians and jews. Muslims face in that direction to pray so that all muslims will be united when they pray (meaning that a chinese muslim and a danish muslim will both be praying towards the same direction when they pray). If you ask any American Muslim where their home is and what their nationality, they will tell you i'm american just like you.

Socially - no. . . Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews .

This is false. I am Muslim and i have a lot of non-muslim friends, and even non-Muslim family members. Moreover the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) himself historically made alliances with the Jews of madina and was close friends with the christian king of abyssinia. Check up your history! :)

Politically - no.. . . Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America , the great Satan.

Currently i would say that there are no "islamic" countries which actually rule according to the true teachings of Islam. Moreover it is stated very clearly in the quran in 4:135 that muslims must stand up for justice and against injustice no matter who the one who is doing the injustice is. So actually it would be against Islam to "submit" to anyone who teaches the annhialation of innocent civilians.

Domestically - no. .. . Because he is instructed to marry four Women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34 )

Muslim men are not instructed to marry four women. Moreover, it says in the quran in 4:19, a few verses earlier addressing Muslim men "...live with them on a footing of kindness and equity..." In another verse of the Quran it states: "And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity between your hearts: verily in that are signs for those who reflect"(Rum:26)

Intellectually - no. . Because he cannot accept the American

Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.

Although the Muslim believes that the bible has been changed over time and that there are clear theological issues with the accuracy of the bible, it is considered to have originally been a respected revelation of God to mankind through prophet jesus peace be upon him. Moreover, as a Muslim who knows the quran and the constitution well, i can confidently say that the honorable principles of the consitution also mirror the principles of the Quran.

Philosophically - no. . . . Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran does not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Again, refer to verse 2:256 "let there be no compulsion in religion". Moreover it is historically a well known fact that the golden age of spain was actually when it was under Muslim rule because Muslim rulers were so tolerant of non-Muslims, particularly the jews. It was only with the reconquista of spain that the jews were expelled under the catholic rulers king ferdinand and queen isabella. Check it out! Really cool history btw!

Spiritually - no.. . . Because when we declare 'one nation under God,' The Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as Heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names.

Here are some of the 99 names of Allah:

Al-Rahman: the most compassionate

Al Raheem: the most merciful

Al Salam: the bestower of peace

Al Ghaffar: the forgiver

Al Lateef: the gentle

Al Shakur: the appreciative

Al Kareem: the generous

Al Wadud: the loving One

you're probably thinking...huh? but yea...i can go on and on :)

Sincerely, [Mr "C"] :)

Florida Church Plans To Burn Qur'ans on 9/11.

Oh yeah, cuz that's REAL productive!  This kind of action shows that these people are not interested in peace or humanity.  This is an act of bigotry and hatred!  (Islamophobia isn't their only vice, this church is also fond of vigorously fighting against LGBT equality as well.)  Outside the Dove World Outreach Center is a permanent sign reading, "Islam is of the Devil," which is also the name of a book writen by Dr Terry Jones, the church's leader.  They have even created a Facebook page entitled, "International Burn A Koran Day."


If you think this is an isolated incident, you're wrong.  Islamophobia has quite obviously been on the rise since 9/11.  From profiling at transportation hubs to bombing of mosques, blind hate in this country is rampant.  Currently, people in New York City, whom claim to be patriots and support the constitution, have no problem denying the First Amendment's religious freedoms to Muslims who wish to build a mosque and community center in the vicinity of the World Trade Center site. 


The fact that the USA is currently at war or hostile towards several Islamic nations, means that on varying levels the US imperialist war machine must demonize the people of said nations in order to keep up support for the war or aggression.  This is done, for example, to our soldiers by lying and brainwashing and to civilians by withholding of facts and manipulation of the media.  Let some dimwitted, closed-minded idiots get the slightest hint that a people are undesirable and they can rally other like-minded idiots to create groups and movements and the phobia and hatred spreads like wild fire.  This can happen because, unfortunately, the gift of oratory is not limited to sane, educated, open-minded people.  Care is not taken to distinguish between good and bad elements of the Islamic nation's society and the people as a whole suffer our manufactured American hatred.  Islam, then, also becomes victim.


This behavior, of course, is not limited to Americans; It is a human characteristic to hate.  The quickest way to elicit suspicion and fear between people is to point out differences.  It is a sad trait we all share.  From Switzerland's banning of minarets to hate-filled ramblings of Dutch politician Geert Wilders to France's banning of the burqa, Islamophobia is alive and well in Europe too.


-My response to the post at The Independent: Florida church planning to burn Qurans on 9/11

and HERE is another article on the subject from Al Arabiya News.

Sarah Palin to Bill O'Reilly: US Law Should Be Based on the Bible

The following article is reprinted from Newser.com. The original article can be accessed here: Sarah Palin to Bill O'Reilly: US Law Should Be Based on the Bible

Palin: US Law Should Be Based on the Bible

'OUR UNALIENABLE RIGHTS COME FROM GOD.'

By Evann Gastaldo| Posted May 7, 10 7:58 AM CDT|

(NEWSER) – Sarah Palin was on the O’Reilly Factor last night talking about the National Day of Prayer, but she went a bit further than her usual party line of calling America a Christian nation. “I think we should keep this clean, keep it simple, go back to what our founders and our founding documents meant,” she said. “They’re quite clear that we would create law based on the God of the Bible and the 10 commandments, it’s pretty simple.”

What would she say to non-believers who were brought up in a different culture, O’Reilly wondered. “Yay, welcome to America, where we are tolerant and you have a freedom to express whatever faith, you can participate peacefully in whatever religion that you choose, that’s what America is all about,” she said, but added that our courts should respect “what the Judeo-Christian beliefs are, too. It’s mutual tolerance.”

US Law should be based on the Christian Bible? OH FECK! WHERE DO I BEGIN, YOU DUMBASS PALIN?!!


I know, let's start here: "But suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." [I Timothy 2:12] There, that oughta keep you out of politics and in case you get any ideas about opening your foolish mouth in church, i give you, "Let your woman keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." [I Corinthians 14:34]


Ok, now on with making the Bible law. Sorry Red Lobster, shellfish are banned and so are you! [Leviticus 11:9-12, Deuteronomy 14:9-10].


We can finally round up the gays and kill them [Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13] which will let some HETEROsexual, God-fearing fashion designers finally get into the biz and not mix fabrics anymore [Leviticus 19:19, Deuteronomy 22:11].


We can truly make this a Christian nation by, killing all those who worship different gods [Deuteronomy 13:12-15 & 17:2-5]--but wait, this would be in conflict with the Sixth Commandment, "Thou shalt not kill" [Exodus 20:13] AND with the Constitution "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..." [First Amendment].


So what's it gonna be, Palin? Your ridiculous Bible that spews hate, intolerance; that promotes division, genocide and war OR the Constitution, which isn't perfect, but a whole hell of a lot better than the outdated piece of shite you worship? At least the Constitution lets you speak and run for office (as scarey as that is to me).


No, you dumb piece of filth, Palin, this country was NOT founded as a Christian nation. Half or more of the founding fathers were not even Christian, but Deists or Atheists. Further they took pains not to insert a specific religion into the Constitution. Note the First Amendment, Article VI, Section 3: "...no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States" and even the Presidential Oath of Office which does NOT contain the words "so help me God." [Article II, Section 1, Clause 8]. The President need only "affirm" that s/he "faithfully execute" the Office of POTUS and "preserve, protect and defend" the COTUS. Most presidents in history have asked to have the God clause tagged on.


Further, the current official motto of the USA, "In God we trust," was not established by the founding fathers, it wasn't codified into law until 1956, two years after "under God" was inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance during the time of McCarthyism. Until 1956, the unofficial motto of the USA was, "E Pluribus Unum." McCarthyism, of course being the time of "Red hysteria" where Congress (HUAC) hunted down suspected "Commies" and demanded they name names or be blacklisted.  Both the addendum to the pledge and the new motto were approved during this scare in order to distinguish patriotic, God-fearing Americans from their so-called Godless, socialist/communist counterparts in the U.S.S.R.  


Jefferson was a staunch opponent of the mingling of religion and government referring to a "building of a wall of separation between Church and State." [Letter to Danbury Baptist Association, 1802] This is not in the Constitution specifically, but whose spirit is held in high regard by those who believe government has no getting involved in such a personal matter as religion.  Hint, Sarah, read up on the writings of Adams, Jay and Paine et al.  Please tell me you know those names.


Now let's look at at treaty that was unanimously approved by the Senate and signed by President John Adams, who in signing, declared that he had read and accepted every article and clause thereof. 

"As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion,-as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquility of Musselmen,-and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." [Treaty of Tripoli, 1797, Article 11] (whereas "Musselmen" means Muslims and "Mehomitan" means Muslim [nation])

OUR GOVERNMENT was NOT founded as a Christian government! Did you drop out of school like you dropped out of the governorship? Go back to school, Palin!


-ry

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